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People have died from hitting their head just right after slipping at their desk,kitchen. Reddit You fire lots and lots of them through das maschinepistole and drown em in hot metal until they fall down and stop trying to kill you. Robert MacNemerra knew nothing about firearms but his decision that the AR-15s chrome lined bore and chamber was a needless waste of money brought a whole lot of grief to a whole lot of people. True enough, but the dead enemy will not lie there or sit-up and shoot or pull the pin on a grenade on you as the wounded enemy might. My $.02. The louder the pop the more credence is added to his choice to continue in his efforts his engagement with you. Most people shot with long gun rounds they tend to be doa . 45 acp damage human body The FBI has made a pragmatic decision that the 147 grain 9mm bullet is the best bullet for its agents because it allows for more rounds in the handgun. Like cars and motorcycles its all a matter of preference for each individual.God Bless America and May God keep us safe so we dont ever have to be put in a situation to have to find out. Youve been practicing with your weapon on a consistent basis. Just one article about that here: http://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2015/07/08/u-s-military-makes-monumental-shift-hollowpoint-pistol-ammunition/. Just as many others I was forced throughout a 25 yr L.E. There is no substitute for experience. Oh yeahMale mental dropped like a 50 pound bag of sand. So, yes, they are looking at it with the assumption that modern 9mm JHP bullets perform very similarly to .40s&w and .45acp, and thus will move toward 9mm loadings for sidearms. The .357sig does have very impressive ballistics. First off, its important to understand what the term refers to. According to the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Hodgkinson was armed with a rifle that shot 7.62 caliber bullets. What causes more damage, .45cal pistol or 5.56 mm rifle? Handgun wounds include the first three of these factors, but generally do not include the fourth. Indeed, in some studies, such as one conducted by the Law Enforcement Assistance Administration (LEAA), the temporary cavity is assumed to be the primary handgun wounding factor. The .22, meanwhile, leaves the muzzle at 2,690 feet per second, and slows to 840 feet per second at 500 yards. I enjoyed reading all of this info but didnt once read the real reason the .45 was originally better at stopping than the .36 cal. Not concerned with concealed carry. Firing Modes: Semi-auto. For members of the hand-cannon clique, toting a weapon loaded with anything less is just asking to be shot or killed by street punks who are feelin lucky.. The amount of energy a bullet radiates into a target is determined by a simple formula taught in high school: Its the product of one half the projectiles mass times the square of the velocity. Handgun velocities top out at around 1,500 fps at the muzzle. John I agree, the Browning Black Label in 380 ACP is a superb gun. I carry a S&W 9SDVE which I find can hold a good tight group. Awareness of the injury (which often registers before pain), fear of death or greater injury, preconceived notions of what people do when theyre shot, as well as a simple desire to give up can all play a factor in psychologically incapacitating an attacker. Never held a weapon till boot camp. The U.S. military collected reports of its effects on the first Viet Cong combatants to be shot with the bullet. I have formed the opinion that the 9mm is adequate, the 40 S&W is better and the 45 is best. Damage: 23. All this scientific garbage really sounds great, but if you need fifteen rounds to eliminate a threat you got real bad aiming habits. A pellet traveling at 450 fps (feet per second) can cause serious injury or death to a human depending on the type of pellet and the location of the impact. Just happened to recall the powerful 10 auto cartridge. arrow moving at what velocity.200 feet per second? Previously, the classic .45-caliber Colt 1911 was one of three pistols that Raiders were allowed to carry, but now the 9mm Glock 19 is the only pistol that Marine special operators can take into battle, said Maj. Nick Mannweiler, a spokesman for Marine Corps Forces Special Operations Command. The programs, policies, and people driving positive change in Americas gun violence problem. Among other things, this So I want a round that will do the trick no matter if he flinches or I do. WebIn a perforating wound, the bullet creates an exit wound as it escapes the body. But this doesnt mean that a 22 rimfire is the best caliber or even a good choice for head shots. If a projectile has features that would cause it to expand upon impact, U.S. Army engineers Donald Carlucci and Sidney Jacobson explained in the textbook, Ballistics: Theory and Design of Guns and Ammunition. Is S&W so inferior that our domestic brand was eliminated? I even tried to do the same test with my Tuger SR9 compact and it was a worse outcome than the Walther. Gimme a break! Back then we all agreed the larger rounds had better stopping power. Tissue disruption caused by a handgun bullet is limited to two mechanisms: There are two places that we know will incapacitate a man every time they are hit: the brain and the upper spinal column. Good article and very good to great comments. Soldiers and police officers are far more likely to engage multiple targets in extended shootouts with adversaries, and therefore have a much greater need for a high capacity pistol than I will in a self-defense scenario. Beats. LE, south LA and Watts for 8 1/2 out of 15 years. Would the same shot with More bullet have made a difference i think not. People have lived through being nuclear bombed. But whats the long term average? WebA 9mm -40 - 357sig -45 ACP all do about 11-13" penetration into the human body no temporary wound cavity, and the diamiter differnce is from 9mm(.355(.357 caliber)) to 11.5mm(.45 caliber). I havent heard anything about the M17 yet, but I am guessing that people will say at least they arent completely worn out and rattling like a kids toy, with parts falling off them, like all the M9s were.. and Privacy Policy. Anyone who has seen Clint Eastwoods Dirty Harry movies is familiar with Sergeant Callahans favorite sidekick, his .44 magnum revolver. 15 round magazine is better than a 7 round magazine. The quibble is over. Of the nearly 250 million guns owned by Americans at that time, somewhere between 40 and 50 million of them were handguns. All rights reserved. Rounds that do not hit the intended target are obviously more dangerous to bystanders than a round that hits the target. People like the OP of the TIFU have been shot right above their heart and lungs, with .223 and despite a nasty, nasty exit wound and the shot placement, walked it off. That is closet weights I can readily come up with from factory offerings. So if my pill hit my target in a less than optimal body section with ball ammo, Ill opt for the bigger ball every time. Sound familiar?? But, this little word but often comes up in real life. Glad you are doing well. But thats a subject for another article. Over the years I have owned and carried many 1911s. How many decades are we going to have this debate? Both hit 15 first shot, .45 exploded watermelon leaving trails about 15 feet behind, 9mm put a hole in it nothing more. Much more likely is that you will be suddenly and unexpectedly attacked by a rapidly and unpredictably moving target with limited opportunities for counter attack. When a handgun is bought for personal protection, whether in the home or on the street, its purpose is the application of deadly force to protect your own life, the lives of others, and to prevent serious physical harm. That and other factors. The double stack G19 is thicker. The science says otherwise. With the continuation of the pussification of America we see so many in posotions of power making decisions that follow the continuation of that thinkinhg. Oh and dont give me the garbage about 9mm has come a long way since its inception. For almost 17 years that I carred a badge I carried a S&W 357 on a K frame. In my own personal EXPERIENCE the .45 tends to put the assailant down with ONE OR TWO rounds. I dont know if the recoil might throw me off. This was an interesting discussion. There is also the very real factor of life-or-death, fight-or-flight stress. Psychological factors play a much greater role. If a projectile has features that would cause it to expand upon impact, U.S. Army engineers Donald Carlucci and Sidney Jacobson explained in the textbook Ballistics: Theory and Design of Guns and Ammunition, it will cause greater trauma.. With bigger bullets, you will make bigger holes.. Modern ammunition changes the field somewhat. You need to be a little more specific. .45 caliber merely refers to the diameter of the bullet. There are a large variety of cartridges that fire b Fair testing without the bias of budgets and the need to carry what every one else is carrying would be quite refreshing and lend more to the safety of the officer or soldier who may be fighting his or her life. 45 muzzle velocity is 500 feet per second and the 9mil is 1500 fps. Let the Craftsman pick his tools! I am not going to address the whole military, spec-ops, battlefield blah blah. Shooting survivors and their caregivers describe a lifetime of chronic pain, repeated surgeries years after being shot, and challenges to everyday living that come from losing parts of vital organs, like a woman who has to buy her son expensive protein shakes after he lost much of his stomach. The money has to come from somewhere. I like it and am very comfortable pulling the trigger in as high stress of a situation as training allows. WebThe human body can survive relatively high blast overpressure without experiencing barotrauma. Type of ammo, stopping power, number of shots, shot placement, kick back, does the gun fit your hand, and whether your cheap crappy gun jams on you these are all part of the equation. I like the P227 better. Ive got a good deal of ballistic and aeronautical knowledge under my belt, and I agree in flight friction coefficient is not something that plays a significant enough role in comparative analysis of 9mm and 45 Auto at practical ranges. Because of the impracticality of training for headshots, this examination of handgun wounding relative to law enforcement use is focused upon torso wounds and the probable results. The FBI just did the same thing. Being only 30 the 9mm argument was often a argument and war waged by my generation of officer. It goes in a like a nail.. I believe the 45 ACP would scare many and they would rarely shoot to their capability. A .20 gauge double barrel should be good for home defense day for a woman or a guy. As a civilian with a concealed carry permit, my rule is that I will carry the heaviest, store bought self defense round that I can buy. But according to the FBI (First Bunch of Idiots) it isnt possible. I carry a Sig P226 9mm, or a Springfield 1911 in 45.